The day after Thanksgiving (2012), my wife and I loaded our six year old and three year old sons in the pick-up and headed for Omaha; a drive of 560 miles. Not an exceptionally long drive but a quite the push for two little ones.
The reward for their patience was a night of swimming at the Marriott in Omaha. I don't know what it is with kids and water but they sure go together! We ordered in Pizza and splashed for hours and then promptly went to bed.
The Marriott was only a few miles from the dealership so the drive that morning was short. The pre-sale walk through was uneventful and the paperwork was a breeze. We were hooked up and back on I-80 headed west by 11:00 that morning.
When we left Omaha that morning it was around 28 degrees with a stiff wind blowing around 20 miles per hour from the Southeast. A quartering headwind if you will. My first impression was just as I expected it to be. Given the single axle, porpoising was quite noticeable over bridges and heaves in the road but it was nothing too alarming. Just a few good bounces and everything settled back down.
Even with teh wind, tt pulled straight and true with very little side to side wobble. That said, anything over 60 MPH in anything less than a 3/4 ton tow vehicle would be asking for trouble. There is just not much back there to keep it all straight should a wind gust take the trailer or a rapid lane change be required. My tow vehicle is a 1/2 ton F-150. I don't use a tow bar or stabilizer and don't feel a need for one. On anything smaller though, I think it would be a must.
At 60 MPH we averaged 11.2 MPG at our first fuel stop. By Lincoln, NE we had ran out of the wind and drove the remainder of the afternoon to North Platte, NE in calm winds and a crystal clear fall day.
We stopped for the evening in North Platte and decided to forgo a campground in lieu of a fine dinner of Kentucky Fried Chicken and a night in the Walmart parking lot. After extending the slide out for room and eating our first dinner in the camper we and popped the tent out and made the boy's bed and ours. I fired up the furnace, read a few storied to each of my boys and crawled into bed with my lovely bride.
It was a mild night in North Platte with the temperature never quite getting below freezing. That said, even with the tent portion being out, the furnace did a fine job of keeping us all toasty warm. I had it set at 70 degrees and it seemed to cycle on and off a few times an hour.
All in all- the first night was a great night. The kids loved it and even my wife seemed to enjoy herself. The only issues were my six year old promptly rolled himself out of the top bunk as there is no railing to keep a little one in the bed and our mattress was none too comfortable. I am glad to my wife and I only had sore backs and he wasn't hurt. In fact he did not even remember it happening when I asked him about the next morning. A modification or two maybe? Other than that all went incredibly well.
Set-up and take down of the tent portion took all of about five minutes combined. It is an easy task that can easily be accomplished by one fit adult. Dropping or picking up the base of the tent could be tricky for older/ smaller framed people as the spare tire is attached to the underside but I found the task to be completely doable by myself.
The only other thing I know that has to be changed is the tongue jack that comes with the Rpod. It is mounted directly behind the hitch and sticks up about 20". That means the top of the jack is about five inches taller than my tailgate is when it is in the down position. Guess what happens to the tailgate if someone has a handful of whatever and just drops the tailgate? That someone was me with my last pick-up so I know I will be changing the tongue jack to a movable/removable side mounted jack. It is welded on the left or right side of the trailer frame in about the same lateral position as the center mounted tongue jack. The big difference is the jack has a pin that allows it to be pivoted to be parallel with the trailer frame or you can pull the pin and completely remove the jack. A third modification for sure.
The rest of the trip back to Denver was uneventful and I am pretty sure we were all glad to be out of the truck and back home.
What did I learn most from my first pull with our new Rpod? I don't think any long trips are in our future. My wife and I both agreed that for the first couple of years we are going to stick within a three or four radius of Denver for our outings. Lucky for us though; that leaves a lot of spectacular camping within our sites.
Wednesday, November 28, 2012
New or Used?
So now that I had decided on the Rpod and I had found a specific model I now had another decision to make. Do I buy a new or used Rpod? Given the resale values of recreational vehicles I had initially decided to only look for used Rpods and what I found really shocked me. Perhaps what I did not find is more appropriate.
If you want to buy a used Rpod be prepared for extremely high re-sale vales and ridiculous asking prices on private sales and even more ridiculous prices on trade-in Rpods at dealerships. And that is if you can even find the specific model you might be looking for. If you do find one that is priced right it will most likely be gone before you even get a call in. Don't misunderstand me. Used Rpods are out there and are on the market. Just not a lot of them, with even fewer if you are looking for a specific model.
What kind of price points am I talking? It was not uncommon to see two year old RPT176T models with an asking price between $12,500 and $14,000. The lower being a private sell and the higher being a dealer. I found one for $12,300 and called on it immediately. The seller said he could have sold it twenty times over and told me it was already sold. I asked him how many days the ad had been listed and he informed me it was not days it was hours.
It was clear to me, after nearly a year of watching the Internet and using a search engine called www.searchtempest.com to search the entire U.S. for Rpod listings I was moving towards a new one. I had been looking at both new and use on-line and the price spread here was even greater.
Most dealerships, but not all, will only list the MSRP on-line so I would see prices for a RPT176-T of upwards to $25,000 to as low as $16,000. I knew the lower price was obviously not MSRP so I knew most of the dealerships would move on price. The question was how much?
Originally, I had hoped to only spend $10,000 to 12,000 on a used Rpod so even a jump to $16,000 was a big jump for my budget. $18,000 was out of the question as it left absolutely no room to modify or upgrade the Rpod in any way. (Which is a totally different topic I hope to cover soon). You might, however, begin to see the dilemma I was facing.
If I could even find a used one, I was most certainly going to be paying no less than $12, 000 and if I found one that was spec'd out nicely and well taken care of that price was going to be closer to $13,500. If I bought a new one the price was more around $16,000. That is a $4000/ 25% increase to my budget on the low end and $1,500/ 15% on the high end.
These calculations, for me, helped me to see what the basic cost of ownership (BCO) was going to be like with an Rpod. Essentially, If I bought a used one I could expect the BCO on a two year old Rpod to be roughly $2000.00 per year on the low end or $750 per year on the high end.
I think it is important to point out BCO does not reflect gross costs of ownership (GCO) which would be BCO plus insurance, maintenance, repairs, interest (if you financed), storage, etc.. It only reflects the anticipated depreciation based on an anticipated purchase price in today's dollars.
That said, when I took the average asking price range for a two year old used RPT176-T model over a six month period, it was around $13,250. After calling around to a dozen or so dealerships I found the average asking price for new RPT176-T models was around $15,700. That meant the average BCO on a two year old RPT176-T was $2,450 or $1225 per year.
As the used market for Rpods remains solid, it also meant that if I could find a new RPT176-T for less than the average new asking price, then the BCO would be even less. So what if I could find a new one for $14,000? When compared to used prices (ceteris paribus- latin for all things constant) the BCO for the first two years of ownership on a new Rpod could be as low as $375 per year. With info like this. It was getting harder not to get excited about buying a new Rpod.
With the camping season over, I began to see some of the same dealerships I called begin to drop their prices. Not a lot but certainly a downward trend. Then one day this past October (2012) I jumped on-line and found a dealership in Omaha, NE listing a 2013 RPT176-T for $14,900. I kept an eye on this listing for a few weeks and then in early November I found the ad had been updated with a new price of $14,500.
That was evidenced to me this dealership really wanted to move this trailer. I called them that day and offered $14,000. They counter offered with $14,250. I countered there offer with $14,250 and they install axle risers (about $180 in labor and $80 in parts). They accepted this and we struck up the paperwork.
What does this mean? Aside from joining the community of Rpod owners. It means that potentially I bought an RV with a BCO for the first two years of ownership of $500. It is all relative but I found that number to be quite inexpensive when compared to other travel trailers on the market. It also means I have some money left over to Mod the POD!
If you want to buy a used Rpod be prepared for extremely high re-sale vales and ridiculous asking prices on private sales and even more ridiculous prices on trade-in Rpods at dealerships. And that is if you can even find the specific model you might be looking for. If you do find one that is priced right it will most likely be gone before you even get a call in. Don't misunderstand me. Used Rpods are out there and are on the market. Just not a lot of them, with even fewer if you are looking for a specific model.
What kind of price points am I talking? It was not uncommon to see two year old RPT176T models with an asking price between $12,500 and $14,000. The lower being a private sell and the higher being a dealer. I found one for $12,300 and called on it immediately. The seller said he could have sold it twenty times over and told me it was already sold. I asked him how many days the ad had been listed and he informed me it was not days it was hours.
It was clear to me, after nearly a year of watching the Internet and using a search engine called www.searchtempest.com to search the entire U.S. for Rpod listings I was moving towards a new one. I had been looking at both new and use on-line and the price spread here was even greater.
Most dealerships, but not all, will only list the MSRP on-line so I would see prices for a RPT176-T of upwards to $25,000 to as low as $16,000. I knew the lower price was obviously not MSRP so I knew most of the dealerships would move on price. The question was how much?
Originally, I had hoped to only spend $10,000 to 12,000 on a used Rpod so even a jump to $16,000 was a big jump for my budget. $18,000 was out of the question as it left absolutely no room to modify or upgrade the Rpod in any way. (Which is a totally different topic I hope to cover soon). You might, however, begin to see the dilemma I was facing.
If I could even find a used one, I was most certainly going to be paying no less than $12, 000 and if I found one that was spec'd out nicely and well taken care of that price was going to be closer to $13,500. If I bought a new one the price was more around $16,000. That is a $4000/ 25% increase to my budget on the low end and $1,500/ 15% on the high end.
These calculations, for me, helped me to see what the basic cost of ownership (BCO) was going to be like with an Rpod. Essentially, If I bought a used one I could expect the BCO on a two year old Rpod to be roughly $2000.00 per year on the low end or $750 per year on the high end.
I think it is important to point out BCO does not reflect gross costs of ownership (GCO) which would be BCO plus insurance, maintenance, repairs, interest (if you financed), storage, etc.. It only reflects the anticipated depreciation based on an anticipated purchase price in today's dollars.
That said, when I took the average asking price range for a two year old used RPT176-T model over a six month period, it was around $13,250. After calling around to a dozen or so dealerships I found the average asking price for new RPT176-T models was around $15,700. That meant the average BCO on a two year old RPT176-T was $2,450 or $1225 per year.
As the used market for Rpods remains solid, it also meant that if I could find a new RPT176-T for less than the average new asking price, then the BCO would be even less. So what if I could find a new one for $14,000? When compared to used prices (ceteris paribus- latin for all things constant) the BCO for the first two years of ownership on a new Rpod could be as low as $375 per year. With info like this. It was getting harder not to get excited about buying a new Rpod.
With the camping season over, I began to see some of the same dealerships I called begin to drop their prices. Not a lot but certainly a downward trend. Then one day this past October (2012) I jumped on-line and found a dealership in Omaha, NE listing a 2013 RPT176-T for $14,900. I kept an eye on this listing for a few weeks and then in early November I found the ad had been updated with a new price of $14,500.
That was evidenced to me this dealership really wanted to move this trailer. I called them that day and offered $14,000. They counter offered with $14,250. I countered there offer with $14,250 and they install axle risers (about $180 in labor and $80 in parts). They accepted this and we struck up the paperwork.
What does this mean? Aside from joining the community of Rpod owners. It means that potentially I bought an RV with a BCO for the first two years of ownership of $500. It is all relative but I found that number to be quite inexpensive when compared to other travel trailers on the market. It also means I have some money left over to Mod the POD!
Friday, November 16, 2012
The Search Began Two Years Ago
So our first camping trip as a family in July of 2012 was not a spectacular success but neither was it a spectacular failure. My boys had a great time and as an added benefit we picked a camp site next to a pond that had a family of beavers living in it. What a surprise to find beavers in their natural habitat. It really was cool to see. So in the end I accomplished what I set out to do and that was to spend time with my family and not be parked in front of the television watching Sponge Bob Square Pants.
Over the last couple of years I had broached the subject of perhaps purchasing an RV travel trailer to my wife on several occasions and each time she would tell me if I sold the Mustang she might be open to it. That always ended any further conversation on the topic and I resolved myself to harmless research. Note I said harmless. I did not say generic.
I had some very specific ideas and some general wishes as to what I might want in a travel trailer so I outlined them and they went something like this:
That was back in late 2010 and since that very first introduction to to the RPod I have spent countless hours comparing it, and the differnt floor models, to many other travel trailers. What I found is nary a one meet the bill on all fronts. They all had their limitations in one way, shape or another and even fewer came close to matching my search criteria. So one by one they were knocked off the list with the RPod always remaining my top choice.
The model that suited me the most was the RPT 176-T. Forest River says it can sleep up to five persons but you could pack six in if you really tried. It is a hybrid model. That is to say it does have a pop out style tent portion but you do not have to use it to still sleep four people. If the tent portion is not used then the dinette table would have to be broken down to make a bed for two persons while the other two sleep in bunk beds in the nose of the trailer. When the tent portion is not used it is a totally secure camper as the cover for the tent is basically a clam shell shaped door that folds up when open. It has a slide out that serves as the galley as well as a private toilet and it has all the other goodies I was looking for. It is compact but it is incrediably effeciant with the use of available space.
Given my specific wants and desires there were very few travel trailers that even came close to footing the bill. Of all that I wished for, the RPod was a compromise on three things. The tandem axle, GVWR and pop out tent. There is always a compromise somewhere but my motto is, "Let's strive for perfection but accept nothing short of excellence". So I let the tandem axle and GVWR go, accepting it as the RPod's Achilles heel. The tent was an acceptable alternative when security would not be an issue or we were not camping in National Parks.
That was it! The RPod 176-T was the one. Next step was to start searching for new and used 176-T's and what I found really shocked me.
Over the last couple of years I had broached the subject of perhaps purchasing an RV travel trailer to my wife on several occasions and each time she would tell me if I sold the Mustang she might be open to it. That always ended any further conversation on the topic and I resolved myself to harmless research. Note I said harmless. I did not say generic.
I had some very specific ideas and some general wishes as to what I might want in a travel trailer so I outlined them and they went something like this:
- It had to be no larger than 20' in length. My reason here was not based on me being nervous to tow anything larger or the limitation of my tow vehicle (TV). Experience towing is not an issue for me. The tractor/ trailer combo I own and drive is 72' in length and at times it has weighed in at over 90,000 lbs and my TV is a Ford F-150 so no problem there. Given my experience, it is precisely why I did not want a large RV travel trailer. Size limits where you are going to go and how much it is going to cost to get you there.
- It needed to comfortably sleep four people with the ability to sleep up to six. Most importantly, while sleeping four people I did not want a travel trailer that had to have the dinette dropped every night to make a bed. The option to sleep more than four was because I knew eventually the boys would want to bring a friend or two along.
- It needed to be light and have a descent load capacity. That is to say I was looking for a travel trailer with a dry weight of no more than 3000 lbs and a load capacity of around 1500 pounds. This essentially meant I was looking for a trailer with a GVWR of around 4,500 pounds. Water weighs 8.34 pounds per gallon so with a 36 gallon fresh water holding tank and a 30 gallon grey water holding; 550 pounds could potentially be used and no consideration was even given to the weight of the LP tank(s). It would not leave a lot of weight available for food, clothing and sundries.
- I preferred to find a tandem axle trailer as the ride and stability is considerably better and it ties directly back to load capacity. If you looked at two identical 20' travel trailers with one being a tandem axle travel trailer and one being a single axle travel trailer you would find the single axle has a considerably lower load capacity. Makes sense right? Two tires and brakes carrying and stopping the load verses four tires and brakes.
- It had to have the amenities of a larger travel trailer yet still have a small footprint. A/C, AC/LP Appliances, Microwave, Shower, Television, A Slide Out and of course a private bathroom.
- It had to be hard sided and fiberglass. Hard sided for two reasons. One natuarally being security and two because tent style campers are not allowed in many of the National Parks here in America. The fiberglass requirement, however, was more about aesthetics than anything. That said, I have since learned a few things about the manufacturing methods of some fiberglass travel trailers that is far superior to aluminum travel trailers.
- It needed to be manufactured by a reputable company, using sustainable/green manufactoring methods, with a track record of success and durability as well as a strong consumer following. And if all that was not enough, it needed to retain some sort of resale value (if there is such a thing with an RV).
- Lastly it had to look great.
That was back in late 2010 and since that very first introduction to to the RPod I have spent countless hours comparing it, and the differnt floor models, to many other travel trailers. What I found is nary a one meet the bill on all fronts. They all had their limitations in one way, shape or another and even fewer came close to matching my search criteria. So one by one they were knocked off the list with the RPod always remaining my top choice.
The model that suited me the most was the RPT 176-T. Forest River says it can sleep up to five persons but you could pack six in if you really tried. It is a hybrid model. That is to say it does have a pop out style tent portion but you do not have to use it to still sleep four people. If the tent portion is not used then the dinette table would have to be broken down to make a bed for two persons while the other two sleep in bunk beds in the nose of the trailer. When the tent portion is not used it is a totally secure camper as the cover for the tent is basically a clam shell shaped door that folds up when open. It has a slide out that serves as the galley as well as a private toilet and it has all the other goodies I was looking for. It is compact but it is incrediably effeciant with the use of available space.
Given my specific wants and desires there were very few travel trailers that even came close to footing the bill. Of all that I wished for, the RPod was a compromise on three things. The tandem axle, GVWR and pop out tent. There is always a compromise somewhere but my motto is, "Let's strive for perfection but accept nothing short of excellence". So I let the tandem axle and GVWR go, accepting it as the RPod's Achilles heel. The tent was an acceptable alternative when security would not be an issue or we were not camping in National Parks.
That was it! The RPod 176-T was the one. Next step was to start searching for new and used 176-T's and what I found really shocked me.
Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Introduction
This Blog is about a family's journey deciding to buy a recreational vehicle (RV) and the journey it took to research, find, buy and ultimately use and enjoy a travel trailer.
My name is Wyatt and I live in Denver, Colorado and it started slowly. You know- the urge to spend more time outdoors. To relax more and think about work less. Commune with nature and share with my two sons and wife the great Colorado wilderness. But then I spent two nights in a small backpacking tent with my wife, my two sons (ages six and three) and three large rocks poking me in the back.
Let me flash back to my teens and twenties. I grew up hiking, camping and hunting in the mountain wilderness of Montana and the rugged beauty of North Dakota. My love of the outdoors had me choose a job in the Army that took me to all parts of the world where I got to "rough it". Contrary to many urban legends there are no campfires in the Army and showers are even more scarce at times than a hot meal.
It has been over twenty years since my Army days and had been nearly ten years since I last camped, and that had been on a ten day solo trek of the Colorado Trail. I was younger then and I enjoyed packing it all in on my back. Pack it in- Pack it out. It is an awesome way to be with nature. . . when you are in your twenties. Not so awesome when you are in your forties with two young children in tow
Let's get back to present day and the camping trip this past summer. In 2000 my wife and I back-packed in to this absolutely spectacular box canyon called Chihuahua Gulch. It is on the backside of Greys Peak with the trail head around 11,000 feet. With a four wheel drive vehicle you could get up to almost 13,000 feet and from there it was only a short climb to the top of Greys Peak (Elevation 14, 270 Feet).
When I proposed making this same trip to my wife she readily agreed and I set to work dragging out all of our gear. I knew we would not be going to the summit and we would be doing very little back packing. In fact, I knew this would be nothing more than an over glorified car camping trip. All good with me. I just wanted to get back out there and do it as a family.
The trip up I-70 was uneventful and the weather was clear so we decided to go over Loveland pass and drop into Keystone from the backside. We got on the National Forest Land road and proceeded to make our way into the gulch. I had every intention of four wheeling up to around 11,000 feet and making camp there. That plan was all in vain as too many people can't respect the "tread lightly" mantra of camping and a gate had been placed and locked well below tree line.
Not deterred, we made our way back down the road to find a suitable camp-site. Set-up was a breeze and the boys had a great time looking for gems and special rocks. While they were off exploring with their Mom, I busied myself prepping the ground, laying out the tarp, setting up the tent. It was during the latter that I began to wonder how this was going to turn out.
Our tent was great for two people back-packing. Light weight, durable and extremely robust. When you back-pack it is all about weight and as I set the tent up I slowly began to realize what we were saving in weight that day we were giving up in size. Hmm. Four persons in a three person tent. Alright, two adults and two little ones but I knew I was not going to be able to stack the little ones head to toe so it was becoming much clearer to me what kind of night was awaiting me and my wife.
Dinner was great. We bought a camp stove years ago to tailgate party so it was a fine meal of hot dogs, chips and a beer or two for me. Wait! Did I mention we had hot dogs and chips for dinner? The kids loved it but while cooking hot dogs, swatting flies and chasing wind strewn chips, napkins and kids I was reminded by my wife it was my idea.
After the amazing dinner came clean up. Let's see. I planned on three gallons of water for cleaning and drinking. Key word here is "planned". What got into the pick-up was one gallon and my back-pack water purifier pump. OK- after a funny look from my wife and a few chuckles we wiped the dishes off with the one towel that made it along. We packed all the food, trash and dishes in the cab of the pick-up. Put the rest in the pick-up bed and made our way to bed. . . .
Oh my gosh. My three year old has a right hook that could put Muhammad Ali to shame and my six year old just had to be perpendicular to everyone. There was a slight incline to the side of the tent that I was sleeping on and that meant by morning everyone had slid up against me, which prevented any hope of avoiding the rocks that were jammed into my spleen all night. Out of the four of us, I am not sure who was more uncomfortable but we all woke up the next morning with a bit of an attitude. My wife's only comment was, "That was refreshing". "No it wasn't", I replied.
My name is Wyatt and I live in Denver, Colorado and it started slowly. You know- the urge to spend more time outdoors. To relax more and think about work less. Commune with nature and share with my two sons and wife the great Colorado wilderness. But then I spent two nights in a small backpacking tent with my wife, my two sons (ages six and three) and three large rocks poking me in the back.
Let me flash back to my teens and twenties. I grew up hiking, camping and hunting in the mountain wilderness of Montana and the rugged beauty of North Dakota. My love of the outdoors had me choose a job in the Army that took me to all parts of the world where I got to "rough it". Contrary to many urban legends there are no campfires in the Army and showers are even more scarce at times than a hot meal.
It has been over twenty years since my Army days and had been nearly ten years since I last camped, and that had been on a ten day solo trek of the Colorado Trail. I was younger then and I enjoyed packing it all in on my back. Pack it in- Pack it out. It is an awesome way to be with nature. . . when you are in your twenties. Not so awesome when you are in your forties with two young children in tow
Let's get back to present day and the camping trip this past summer. In 2000 my wife and I back-packed in to this absolutely spectacular box canyon called Chihuahua Gulch. It is on the backside of Greys Peak with the trail head around 11,000 feet. With a four wheel drive vehicle you could get up to almost 13,000 feet and from there it was only a short climb to the top of Greys Peak (Elevation 14, 270 Feet).
When I proposed making this same trip to my wife she readily agreed and I set to work dragging out all of our gear. I knew we would not be going to the summit and we would be doing very little back packing. In fact, I knew this would be nothing more than an over glorified car camping trip. All good with me. I just wanted to get back out there and do it as a family.
The trip up I-70 was uneventful and the weather was clear so we decided to go over Loveland pass and drop into Keystone from the backside. We got on the National Forest Land road and proceeded to make our way into the gulch. I had every intention of four wheeling up to around 11,000 feet and making camp there. That plan was all in vain as too many people can't respect the "tread lightly" mantra of camping and a gate had been placed and locked well below tree line.
Not deterred, we made our way back down the road to find a suitable camp-site. Set-up was a breeze and the boys had a great time looking for gems and special rocks. While they were off exploring with their Mom, I busied myself prepping the ground, laying out the tarp, setting up the tent. It was during the latter that I began to wonder how this was going to turn out.
Our tent was great for two people back-packing. Light weight, durable and extremely robust. When you back-pack it is all about weight and as I set the tent up I slowly began to realize what we were saving in weight that day we were giving up in size. Hmm. Four persons in a three person tent. Alright, two adults and two little ones but I knew I was not going to be able to stack the little ones head to toe so it was becoming much clearer to me what kind of night was awaiting me and my wife.
Dinner was great. We bought a camp stove years ago to tailgate party so it was a fine meal of hot dogs, chips and a beer or two for me. Wait! Did I mention we had hot dogs and chips for dinner? The kids loved it but while cooking hot dogs, swatting flies and chasing wind strewn chips, napkins and kids I was reminded by my wife it was my idea.
After the amazing dinner came clean up. Let's see. I planned on three gallons of water for cleaning and drinking. Key word here is "planned". What got into the pick-up was one gallon and my back-pack water purifier pump. OK- after a funny look from my wife and a few chuckles we wiped the dishes off with the one towel that made it along. We packed all the food, trash and dishes in the cab of the pick-up. Put the rest in the pick-up bed and made our way to bed. . . .
Oh my gosh. My three year old has a right hook that could put Muhammad Ali to shame and my six year old just had to be perpendicular to everyone. There was a slight incline to the side of the tent that I was sleeping on and that meant by morning everyone had slid up against me, which prevented any hope of avoiding the rocks that were jammed into my spleen all night. Out of the four of us, I am not sure who was more uncomfortable but we all woke up the next morning with a bit of an attitude. My wife's only comment was, "That was refreshing". "No it wasn't", I replied.
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